岡田斗司夫的火箭收藏及其名著


「你是御宅族嗎?」:聽「otaku學之父」岡田斗司夫怎麽說


近年越來越多人使用
otaku(中文一般稱御宅族)一詞及留意日本的otaku現象。越來越多日本ACG、電影及電視劇亦順水推舟。大家熟悉的《電車男》、《Keroro軍曹》、《狂熱電氣店》、《現視研及《Comic Party》都有打上otaku的指模。用otaku(日文是,原是對對方的尊稱,後動漫愛好者用此稱呼對方)來稱呼動漫迷的做法始於1982年慶應大學動漫組織,但otaku之風早在1970年代已隨《宇宙戰艦大和號》興起,80年代的Gundam90年代的EVA將它推向全盛期。現在日本動漫otaku的性質及氣質已跟早期(7090年代)不同。


其主要不同處如下:

(1)早期動漫otaku的主要是宇宙戰争系;現在是萌系。

(2) 早期動漫otaku與業者多互動關係,透過同人誌、cosplay、評論及轉行從事ACG製作影響業界;現在的otaku卻退回消費者陣營。


(3)
早期動漫otaku充滿自信及專業精神,有對外溝通能力;現在的otaku較內向及排它。


因為otaku的轉型,使舊otaku對新otaku頗多不滿,呼喚otaku要回歸原點,重拾失去的夢想與動力。連「御宅學王樣」(愛稱otaking)的岡田斗司夫對otaku變質表示關注。


岡田氏收藏的機械人煙灰皿


岡田斗司
夫(HP)是日本研究
otaku的第一人。他曾在東大開科講授「otaku文化論」,著有包括otaku聖經的《東大otaku學講座》、《Otaku學入門》等有關otaku專書廿多種。他教書風格出位,不忌有味及粗俗笑話(也許是在東大不能教下去的原因之一)。


岡田為Gunbuster的劇本家(導演為庵野秀明)


他也是著名動畫製作公司Gainax(就是製作EVA的公司,難怪Gainax的otaku味這麽濃)的創辨人之一,曾親自為動畫[Gunbuster]寫劇本。他也是ACG商品的著名收藏家。他曾赴美出席動漫活動及演講。他是以身體力行來告訴人們怎樣才是真正的otaku他認為不是瘋狂喜歡日本動漫便配稱otaku,真正的otaku對動漫有專業的知識、讀解作品中每個符號的技巧,及同時是動漫品質保証人及批評家。Otaku甚至可以從消費者轉身成生產者。他指出Otaku的精神是努力、進取、自我表示及跨國界血緣。他們是推動日本本土動漫向上及全球化的重要動力。岡田的看法值得我們熱愛日本動漫的人細思。Otaku的變質是否代表日本動漫已失去昔日的活力?

 

Posted by 知日部屋屋主 | 評論(86) | 引用(1) | 閱讀(61936)
v +
2012/03/25 11:56
現在一堆動漫迷喜歡看賣肉賣萌~ 沒格調~
也很多動漫喜歡把女角色某處畫的很大`也沒格調
更沒有美感可言` 太大根本噁心
畫的人都該重新上美學的課程`
為了迎合特定觀眾去畫的東西有格調嗎?

如果只是小部分的畫者那樣畫是個案
但是現在太多作品畫那樣了` 沒格調

台灣對 動漫 的偏見不能否定有受這些作品影響~ 然後加上曲解以及斷章取義

另外不管圈內對 動畫/卡通 如何定義
圈外以及老一輩看到這些都把它叫做卡通
然後常會說是小孩子在看的~
難道小孩子能看 賣肉 的嗎?

這邊比較讓自身困擾的是手上還未組裝的日版模型被 在下 的 老子 常常說是啥小孩子玩具要我給別人
操他爹的` 董個鳥`
那盒那麼精緻未組裝的 武裝機甲主角機
還有機戰的 白騎士 / 很大盒的 機神袍吼
最好是小孩子玩具`
最好還要我把這些都給輕易的給別人
對我說這種自以為是的主觀的話就算你是我老子也不能原諒~
尤其在講的時候還很兇`口氣很差`
陽光 +
2012/02/21 02:05
感謝版主大大有那麼的詳細解釋御宅族的網誌,想請教版主大大可否讓我將本網址及文章轉貼或參考的讓我製作報告?
我是數媒系的學生動畫賞析的第一堂課,老師上了這一堂"御宅族"的課程,要我們交一篇這個的報告!
所以懇請版主大大!!謝謝!!
知日部屋屋主 回覆於 2012/02/21 06:01
sure.
Neuro +
2009/12/16 23:33
真的感同身受啊!
我在台灣感覺到太多對御宅的誤解與批評了
尤其大家只要窩在家裡不出門就稱自己為阿宅
真的令我太不滿了!!angry
阿達 +
2009/03/21 07:49
了解,多謝授權
阿達 +
2009/03/21 00:57
不好意思,阿達看了您部落格的文章覺得不錯
所以想詢問一下,可否轉載至自己的部落格??

-----依莉部落格
-----ncaplayer
知日部屋屋主 回覆於 2009/03/21 07:33
本博客支援 CC,歡迎轉載及引用文章作教育或非商業用途,但請註明出處
若小雙 +
2009/03/05 11:24
你好,我在研究台灣的御宅族現象(以動漫族群為主的研究),發現御宅族的定義在台灣相當地混亂,目前御宅族在台灣可以說是發展為兩種情況,其一,是以生活型態發展的「御宅族」;其二則是被視為網路成痴以及經常不出門的「宅男宅女、阿宅」等等。我去年在同人販售會上做了御宅族問卷調查,發現其實許多動漫的喜好者,並不瞭解御宅族這個族群,也有許多一聽見我提及御宅族,就認為是帶有負面的印象,而拒絕我的問卷。也有些則是以字面上的印象,認為自己就是宅。由此可見,御宅族在台灣給人的印象是很分歧的,也因為媒體的放大與揭露,宅「宅男、宅女」的說法,成為流行用語並深植於社會大眾。
因為定義不明確,使得研究進行困難重重。所謂真正御宅族的認定標準似乎很難去界定…這是我目前很難以克服,也被教授嚴厲指出的問題點。身為族群當中的族群,想利用問卷去歸納台灣所認同的御宅族印象,其定義就必須要很明確…
不曉得在御宅族在香港的現況是否也有這樣的問題呢?
屬於族群當中的御宅族,如果連族群都不認同其定義,這樣來說那它的存在不就更隱蔽了嗎?
nero +
2007/07/08 23:52
醜男是典型老牌otaku...還要色色的??自閉男是典型新牌otaku...??

討厭MACROSS和Gundam,討厭所有有超級青春美少女型角色出現的SF或熱血機器人動漫作品,只喜歡嚴肅SF、機械類,幷且喜歡研究其背景、內涵、叙事与分鏡頭...算otaku嗎?

有美女otaku嗎?不太瞭解市道...
茄子 +
2007/04/02 17:59
想问一下,可否将大大的讨论帖到我的论坛上呢?
地址是http://www.yz.gz.cn/bbs/Default.asp
刚刚建成...orz
知日部屋屋主 回覆於 2007/04/02 18:39
ok
知日部屋屋主 Homepage +
2007/03/18 22:08
推薦頹青新文
岡田斗司夫「Otaku Is Dead」﹕破舊立新,還是舊酒新
http://www.cuhkacs.org/~davids/blog/read.php?95
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/12/09 07:22
It is a good nes that a positive image of otkaus can be propagated worldwide; the stereotypical discrimination against both okadaian and moe otakus is yet to be eliminated in the near future.
知日部屋屋主 Homepage +
2006/12/08 16:15
a superb translation of this article
http://z7.invisionfree.com/utama/index.php?showtop...

good
五月 靜 Homepage +
2006/11/29 12:58
屋主﹕

在下欲將此文譯成英文﹐轉貼於多倫多大學動漫社論壇上。若有不便或不願意我轉帖的話﹐請在此處通知一聲。

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知日部屋屋主 回覆於 2006/11/29 12:59
sure!
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/25 16:17
Sometime otakus seems excluding each other since they are of low level of internalization and socialization. Of course, their own collection style attrubite to the excluding character. They are not at all introvert for those who are okadaian otaku doing contributve research as well. In my opinion, otakus can be an advanced generation if they interact more together.
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/04 21:07
Further reading:

小澤

御宅族教主的迷思3-霸道之終焉 (part 3)


眾叛親離,霸道之終焉

只有「御宅族」才會明的東西,就像其他的次文化一樣,失去了普編性就上不了檯面。

「御宅族」標籤著自己,也給人標籤著。夠格成為岡田式「御宅族」的人,絕不甘於只當一個「御宅族」。其一,前述岡田講的只是一套「分析常識」,不是「御宅族」獨有,硬塞這套理論來神化「御宅族」,更把所有專業人仕套入「御宅族」之中,來壯大當時滿身傷痕的「御宅族」,「夠格」的實在不甘被利用;第二,如果指的是一般動畫迷等於「御宅族」,也嫌只顧看動畫實在局限了自己眾多的興趣,他們「用情不專」也使他們被排擠在「御宅族」之外。

對於其他有著不同意見的「御宅族」也是互相攻伐,互罵匪偽,不留情面。0079中的馬沙,在官方的設定是一位一流的機師,但其中一派「御宅」從動畫畫面中引設他只曾用一加紅蟹擊倒吉姆而己,甚至從所謂的歷史中推翻了官方的設定,當然可能是官方設定時的BUGS,但正統的保皇派和倒皇派便立刻認真起來互想攻伐。但真的要數的還有隨後的UC派的正統派,AC的匪偽派,新的SEED派等等,甚至真實軍事派和超機人派也有,為那些人設的設定當史料般罵得死去活來,罵對方不懂GUNDAM。其實只有富野和BANDAI一聲說「是」,各方也奈不了何吧。

動畫是一種創作,創作人可以從中把特定的訊息帶給觀眾,但觀眾郤未必一定要跟從創作人的意思來看,可以從不同的角度切入。「御宅族」提供的只是眾多詮釋角度的其中一個,而不是唯一,反過來亦不可能把對方打成為匪偽,為什麼硬要別人接受呢?

對於非「御宅族」的「外界」批評和攻擊,「御宅族」採取的又是鴕鳥政策,使自己進一步被邊緣化。宮崎事件,甚至有害圖書追放事件,外界對動畫迷一直存在誤解也並非一朝一夕的事:「御宅族」有著「不事生產,只會看動畫不理世事,「咸濕」又運動性能低下又脫節的傻傢伙」的評語,對著這些指摘,我也認為以偏蓋全,但一開始防禦守勢,連消帶打只用「打壓」這兩個字便否定了對方的批評,然後在各大討論區訴苦,而不好好反省自己現在為什麼有這個「口實」給人,也是智者的所為嗎?還是是一樣「以偏蓋全」吧。

批評的一方可能別有用心,但給與對方口實,自己也是時候「進化」了。

如果認為宮崎駿的動畫,是希望人們珍惜自然,有環保的意識,那麼閣下應該做的是多去郊外多做環境保護的工作,而並不是坐在家中考據那些作畫水準,但「御宅族」關心往往是後者。

就在下所見,現在真的不少作品和同人誌存在這些過份色情和暴力的情節,所謂的過份只是不必要罷了,情節必要的,無所謂,來個廿一禁吧,我也是動畫迷才不會迂腐到叫政府管,只希望「御宅族」也要有作為社會一份子的自覺,不要給「御宅族」就等同色情的感覺,事實只要我們一離開電視,還得面對各下所謂的殘酷真實世界,一副是不關己,己不勞心的咀臉,在這個世界只會給人膲不起。

慢著,上述所說的好像是把岡田式的「御宅族」和一般動畫迷的「御宅族」溝亂了?是的,無錯,我是蓄意的。

「御宅族」這個名字由出現到現在還不到三四十年,當中褒貶意思還未定形,這個字的用法一直在變。要令到「御宅族」這個名字有正面的一日,徒在動畫迷之間爭這個未定勝的名銜有什麼意思?請做一些被外間也認同的事,有意義的事;也請在被批判之時有寛容之心,走到群眾面前理性地解釋閣下的嗜好,「御宅族」迷動畫,和車迷,歌迷和戲迷,小說一樣,為什麼偏偏現在只會給人看扁?請各位好好想下好自為之,否則「御宅族」最終只會像末路的霸王,死於內憂外患之中。
知日部屋屋主 回覆於 2006/11/04 21:32
此三文可曾推介。下以給link便可。
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/04 21:06
Further reading:

小澤

御宅族教主的迷思3-霸道之終焉 (part 2)

考証成癖,動畫創造的末路

這裡「不夠格」是指想做到岡田式「御宅族」郤苦沒「入手知識」解構動畫的這派人。看動畫發覺自身資料不夠便去找,乃人之常情,因先天的不足苦無解讀方法,於是「龜」在電視前研究動畫成了指定動作,重看又重看,人人也公平得二十四小時,結果是可以分配到出外結交朋友,運動,認識時事的時間少之又少,導致日常的應對技巧,運動能力,對世界和服飾的認知也比外界嚴重缺乏,「御宅族」常說這些批評是外界人對他們的誤解,倒不如說是這種研究方式結果使然。

其實包括岡田自己,他本身不是為「宅」而「宅」,而是動畫這個媒體造就了他們,他們在「製造」動畫,這才是岡田那伙被稱為「神人」的真像。

就在動畫未進一步普及之前,他們己累積了大量的知識,岡田,庵野自己也是SF和電影迷,而永野讀服裝設計,他們把自己的知識和意念帶到動畫中,把動畫的可塑性和玩味性進一步提高,岡田有SF知識,於是發表了《皇立宇宙軍》;庵野熟悉用鏡方法,於是有了後期的《EVA》,永野讀服裝設計,於是有了後期的《五星物語》的唯美機械和人物設計。上述人物的知識是來自其他領域,並不是單純地只有動畫給與的。

對於其他有同類嗜好的動畫迷,在玩味研究他們的作品時,一早有這方面的知識,然後再找論證分析,再有論據來支持,這樣自有另一番樂趣。他們一開始用的已經不是一個動畫角度,而是一個更高層次,例如從社會學,歷史,物理或生物的高度,再以多重角度的來研究作品,看出來的,評出來的也會平衡很多,最重要的是那些資料能夠刺激思考,帶看倌進入另一層次,另一個世界。

上述達人的眼界絕不只限動畫一處,甚至在更遠的地方,但現在的御宅族做的郤恰恰相反。

「不夠格」的「御宅族」經過長間找尋訓練的結果,便是比外界用更多時間來看動畫,最後「進化」到只會從動畫一方面來吸取養份,也只懂得從動畫一個媒界看世界,迫於無奈遠離其他媒體。  生產商也看準了這一點,「宅向」動畫便應運而生。好聽一點是向前作致敬,不好聽的就是照抄前作動畫橋段,無他,因為只有這些,「目標觀眾」才會明白。

為了協助這些「御宅族」做「考証」,一大票近乎騙錢的精品便成為了「御宅族」的至愛,加上一堆又一堆的設定集,岡田「有著高度搜尋參考資料能力的人」這個有錢的便做到了;「對映像創作者所提示的暗號,一個也不漏的加以解讀與研究」在一堆又一堆官方設定集和網上論壇上的協助「用時間」又做到了;最後只要「加些少時間copy and paste」寫一篇不用花什麼「心思分析」的史料來表達「永不滿足的向上心和自我表現欲」又做到了,撈過「御宅族」教主封號也絕不是什麼難事,於是動畫橋段用來用去,為的就是來滿足這班人,動畫創作最後無奈淪為地獄式輪迴,成為了小眾的娛樂。

你能想像由以上「永不滿足的向上心和自我表現欲」的「御宅族」做出來的動畫會是什麼樣子嗎?
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/04 21:05
Further reading:

小澤

御宅族教主的迷思3-霸道之終焉 (part 1)

「御宅族」自「電車男」成功後便浮上水面,一時成為潮流用語,但我必須重申,我沒意把什麼人定義為「御宅族」,要當「御宅族」是閣下的自由。 如果認為簡簡單單喜愛動畫的人就等於「御宅族」的話大可跳過這個不看,但如果閣下認為岡田斗司夫的定義才算是「御宅族」,那麼各位有想過當中的含意或者要跟著做嗎?

「御宅族」在日本動畫同好中一個近乎夢幻的職業,有著頂尖能力的新人類,有高超的搜尋能力和解讀能力,如果潛力發揮理應受著世人歌頌,但事實上外界卻對這個「夢幻職業」就有不少負面批評,不事生產不擅交際是小事了,但甚至一些諸如繭居族,隠閉青年,色情狂,甚至如身裁等等無關痛癢的批評也加入去了?身為動畫同好是否會憤憤不平?那又為什麼呢?

宿命使然,後天的死穴

因為御宅族的宿命注定是在研究別人的作品,而不是產出作品。

他們要的工作是要解讀動畫,要是沒有了「動畫」這個前題,他們評不了。「御宅族」的工作是要釋破了其中所有符號後,來個地毯式的歷史評論,然後以此為正統,希望人們用這個「正統」來欣賞這部大作,其他的角度皆為「匪偽」。要是創作人稍為「離經背道」,就像初出「機動武鬥伝時」時便大加鞭撻,因為作品不是UC GUNDAM,不用米加粒子,更沒有了新類型人等設定,他們不容許超出他們知識守備範圍外的作品。簡言之,他們是在為把動畫當作一門學科來研究。

其實為研究而研究本身並不是問題,但把這些做這些研究人做的偽科學「神格化」卻是個大問題。

在動畫中考據的理論,很多時也只是偽科學,例如在馬沙之逆襲中阿寶在劇完前推回阿古哲斯,0083中的所羅門核爆,鋼之金術士的金理論也只是一堆「設定」,可能只是想在畫面易於耍師而誇大,而莫視現實,當中最經典的莫過於超人力霸王(咸蛋超人)的混混設定吧,拿來說說笑還可,人創作出的東西有BUGS,並不出奇,設定有,劇情一樣可以有,何況設計的只是動畫家不是科學家,像柳田理科雄的「空想科學教室」來「博君一笑」還可,實不用出動「腦內補完」,想出一些連官方也沒有的偽似解釋那些BUGS來互相攻伐,上述娛樂而己,實在不必認真。

其實細心玩味,岡田「御宅族」定義,並不是什麼開天劈地的見解,更不是「御宅族」獨有,只是單純的研究方法學,其中以eliein小姐講的最一矢中的:「只不過是不同於一般人將娛樂僅僅作為娛樂,反將娛樂視為一種命題來做研究的族群」」岡田的「御宅族」定義其實是在形容那些會利用「論點,論証,論據」三段式的研究來看動畫的人:

在動畫中找到喜好的東西(尤其是SF的資料),確立了論點 ==>
有了論點,然後找相關資料來考據的論証 ==>
再產出其他產物如評論等的論據等証實知己的見解正確


這個不就是「寫評論」的應有格式嘛?這只是一個要做研究的人「應該有」的素質。大締岡田提出這些理論,是用來偶像化動畫迷中的菁英,把他們「神格化」和「新類型人化」來抗衡當時宮崎事件對「御宅族」負面影響,情形就像當年的十字軍東征,教廷宣稱犯事的都不是天主教徒,是那些偽教徒一樣來平息眾怒一樣。

「御宅族」只是「一班將娛樂視為一種命題來做研究的族群」,沒錯,他們正正視娛樂為一種命題來做研究的族群,不是高高在上的教主。事實上,岡田式的「御宅族」正是這樣的產物。

把娛樂當成單純的娛樂,或者把娛樂拿來研究當成另一種樂趣沒有什麼不對,可惜不少祟尚岡田式「御宅族」的動畫迷只看到表像,夠格的固然被冠稱為「御宅族」,不夠格的也一律自稱為「御宅族」,因為夠「神」,甚至乎蔚為時尚,「夠格的」當然沒有什麼問題,問題是那些「不夠格的」。
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/03 19:10
> Au Yeung

Ya currently Hong Kong general public still do not familiar with otaku culture, not to say its etymology. I think HKEAA should have syllabuse changes in Liberal Studies, i.e. to impart the popular and otaku culture in Section A - Data Response. I mean, say, the assessment of both liberal studies and its like- Chinese Language and Culture, should focus on and accept more critical and theoretical aspects beyond their own framework of instruction. For example, certain essays about otakuism in http://cabeat.com are quite inspiring. Apart from asking for candidates' own opinion, the paper should encourage them to rack their brain to understand social phenomenon (eg: discrimination of otakus) by appliying transdisciplinary theorems appropiately so as to task their comprehension power. Let me make some sample question:

1. Using suitable logic programes, examples and diagrams (eg: flowchart). explain HOW otakus are being discriminated owing to partiality of stereotypical knowledge.
(Hint: Use self-fulfilling prophecy (自我預言實現) in sociology and psychology. Note the mode of thinking between different genders as well)

2. Write an essay on the motive behind proposing motion of "Otakus go public - excavating their goodwills"

By the way, attitude assessment must also be included in SBA, so that thr number aggressive but attackive and immoral candiates who probably create partiality and discrimination at will should be reduced.

As for myself, I am a anime otaku who like to extract ideologies from relationships among anime. I find it useful not only in sharing technical discoveries, but also boost the liberal environment in the course of discussion. My future goal is writing a social science textbook as a discourse of ACG culture as well as derived theorems (such as idiography resembling Enneagram (九型人格)). As a chinese idiom goes, 觸類旁通, the extraction of both explicit and implicit knowledges aids readers and otakus to be versatile and broadens their reading perspectives. This otakaian act is thus healthy to society - it enhance communication and ensure understanding.

To do so, reading a lot of texts besides reading (NOT JUST WATCH) contexts in anime is a must. Also ,thinking more at leisure time is also a good way in nurturing critical thinking and critical analysis. For example, Onpu Segawa in Ojamajo Doremi is an song artist as well as an actor: Would it be possible to survive under exam pressure in Hong Kong? And How can factors of senses (Hentaicity) mould the star image of Onpu? Does similar principles applies to current showbiz market? will her "cold" charracter aid her future career prospect or ruin her human relationship and WHY? There questions servers as an extension of Anime Teaching, see http://www.helloluke.net/animeteach/index/home.htm for reference. My motto behind being otakus is " b]NEVER WASTE BY CONSUMING ANIME ALONE[/b]".



I hope in the near future otakus can regain its positive image like 宇宙戰争系 who held open seminar for cultural exchange in the realms of both commerce and academy frequently.



>Sheepiesheep

Nice to meet you, a transitional girl acquiring the principle of critical thinking. In my own opinion, some femilists do go extremes because they have more extent of characters usually found from boys (such as being bold, having a will to control others, and sense of agreession)

As to your question raised, lolicons is not neccessarily moe-prone, but can have moe character, eg: the liking for wearing dress for the like-minded people' acceptance. For example, in an anime, Cosmic Baton girl Comet-san, Meteo-san, a girl, is a lolicon because she prefer to wear gothic lolita. But it does not means she like female anime characters as this would contradict the definitions of moe. I cannot say that she is a lesiban if she is moe, but moe is a visual response which is usually occur to boys, while sense of  intimacy often occurs to girls. so presumably we can only say that this kind of lolicon is a Lolita fan.

Moe-kei exists out of the sense of possession of certain style that can be visually(eg: contrasting colour of lolita-dressors) or acoustically (eg: sweet voice) found. So moe otakus perfer to do collection. To somewhat extent moe otakus wants to be the female ACG characters they like so as to fuifill their cross-over imagination of anime-reality love.

Should you have further problems, please feel free to ask, and I will try my best to answer them objectively.
Au Yeung +
2006/11/03 17:04
Well, it's interesting for me too, to read the opinions of youngsters today.
As I have stated, when I was a student in HK, I had not been facing any form of "discrimination" from females, and nobody showed uneasyness toward the so-called otaku hobbies.

I wonder if the change in situation has been brought by the import of the Japanese context of "otaku." When I was a student in HK, very few people would regard fans of anime, manga and games as an inferior group, and the term "otaku" was basically unknown. I am a game otaku but I find myself very different from fans of anime or manga.
Sheepiesheep +
2006/11/03 16:21
>doraemonserv2

It's interesting to read your thoughts about how girls view Otakus, as well as your experience as well. Personally (as a female myself) I think that some girls find Otaku revolting is because they do not understand that concept or is unwilling to understand their culture. They do often associate that term in a negative way - fanatics locked up in their room etc etc. Those girls (or other people who only have a negative impression on them) should really learn about them before making all sorts of degrading comments!

Yeah and I do agree that sometimes the feminists gets too overboard and be too biased on their opinion - they have already forgotten that feminists are supposed to fight for their rights, not taking the rights out from someone else. [.... this also leads to another problem of Gender Equality - a neverending argument....]

But anyway, I think some Japanese are beginning to change their views on Otakus (like portraying them in media - starting with Densya otoko, "Welcome to NHK", Akihabara @ Deep. Though Otakus sometimes may not be able to communicate with others face-to-face, their professional knowledge is respected.

Anyhow, I also do have the same question: some people think that Lolicon is Moe-kei as well, is that true?
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/03 12:44
I agree with you, Au Yeung. Japans have been stratified for decades, especially after 1990s economic depression. All japanese along are very competitive (somehow to an extent of vicious PR strategies). Since golbalisation, lanagage and comminucation is becoming a crucial factor of success. Since otakus, especially Japanese who find it difficult to grasp English, are weaker in oral (NOT structured Writing), they find difficultly in expressing/manifesting themselves face-to-face, thus people other than otakus, especially females having infinite scarcity for human-relationship hegemony, easily misunderstand them, or even seem them as an obstacle of their own way, thus reject them. (eg: Making scandals to deal with what stereotype the general public deemed the moe otakus - unproductive consumerists)


Listening to girls's song is by no mean a "moe" act no matter the audience have moe character or lot (though I am NOT moe, I have certain prone tomoe character due to the impression of girl style and pattern by frequency, eg: lolita), and their acoustic profile is amotional (i.e. emotionless), not emotional.

I hate girls - who is attackive and irrespctive - to death; Nevertheless, there are instances of good girls, described as having transitional character (i.e. one can learn and get good(will)/provoked understanding from her)  which can servers as good future wife (but such transitional girl, NOT common girls, is difficult to meet). Girls having transitional characters are oftenly found in animes (eg: Doremi and Comet-san) but diifficult to encounter in reality. Luckily, at least my mother and my English (UE)teacher are transitional, i.e. not too bad.

Another good girls besides having transitional characters is those who have complex character. Otakus, if otakaian or good at research/formulation of theorems, have complex sets of ideas. Girls having the same complex character tends to be empathic with otakus, not only be interested in Otakuism but also cmoprehensive and understanding (i.e. sophisticated). Unfortunately, except 阿久律真矢 in EXILE, I cannot see any complex girls in reality. Many girls only knwo how to elate their pernicious emotional words like 白痴,低能仔. It make me scared: Japanese women even cannot find god husbands, Japanese men, however, cannot find a ideal wife as well.

As to the reason why Japanese Otakus seems imfamous in current Japan, as you may know, it is the aftermath of Otaku Murdering incident in 1989 and recent years. (see http://cabeat.com for details) Since the incident, the stereotype image of otakus as perverted, erotic geeks by the frightened/self-protecting general public is formed. This impledes the communication of the early version (otakaian, NOT moe) otakus, and the mass media do wrongdoings by exaggerate the impact of such murdering. By then, the H-prone Manga/Anime culture (WARNING: 'H"='Ecchi", NOT 'Hentai" which means preference changes or metamorphosis , since the word "Hentai" is abused by the Westerns as a pun of "Ecchi") become rampant, inducing more and more go-astray cases of newly-generated moe otakus UNLESS the screening of EVA in 1996, which otaka is one of the cast and director.


I wonder if this site have a respective forum for in-depth discussion/exposition about otak culture by readers, so that I need not post redundant replies for just proofreading, which is not good.

p.s. Going to my xanga one may find I am constantly blaning a girl called Lam Chum Yim in LSKC who is being an typical common hypocrite who has been blackening my name as well as the image of general otakus.
Au Yeung +
2006/11/03 09:25
It's amazing that you have achieved so many discoveries from your interactions with HK girls.
In general speaking, the prejudice upon otaku is much milder than that in Japan. As a male otaku living in Japan for 4 years, I have a clear feeling that one's attribute as an "otaku" can easily act as a "threat" to his social relationships, particularly those with female partners. I tend to "come out" step by step strategically. A boy can easily be isolated, esp. by girls, if he shows off his otaku hobbies all in a sudden without thoughful plans.

However, in HK, I did not recognize my being otaku as a threat to my communication with others --as least, in the time when I was a secondary student, a university student and an office worker in HK. When I worked at a non-otakic HK company, I usually read girl game-related comics, listened to girl game songs using speakers instead of a headphone, and even watched movies from girl games (I was used to brought several comics, soundtracks and game discs with me to the working place). There were many female colleagues in my office but nobody showed negative responses. Some appreciated the beautiful graphics and asked me to introduce the games to them.
When I was a student, I recommended good games, including adult games to my classmates, male and female, deliberately. I often had loud conservations about girl games with my classmates inside the classroom. At that time, I didn't feel that I was isolated, hated or "bullied" by the female classmates.
To speak the truth, a vast majority of my friends in the secondary school era are girls. I may be very lucky at that time -- all my female friends were fair and kind, treating boys much like girls.

Well, I can say firmly that my otaku hobby does nothing with the discontent toward "real" girls. The so-called 2D-3D differientiation does not apply to me. I regard the fictional worlds and the real world(s) different and parallel universes with the same level of reality. I just live in one of the them, i.e. the so-called real world.
To search for an alternative world driven by the hatred toward "real" girls may not be a healthy phenomenon, though I can well understand the immoral aspects of many women stated by you.

Finally, (though I have made the same mistake before) it may not be good to make too many consecutive comments on the same topic at one time.
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/02 14:09
TYPO:

detai --->detail





By the way, should lolicon (people who have th liking for lolita/lolita dress) be regarded as (moe) otakus also?
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/02 14:05
Does anyone agree that 阿久律真矢  in EXILE (女王的教室)  is a female otaku? She specialize in alternative education researching about psychology (refer to episode 11 for detai)
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/02 14:01
Note also:

In the last line of paragraph 5 in my comment, 2006/11/02 13:51, the word "thta" should be "that".

Have I gotten dyslexia of typing? fear (a gag for sure)
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/02 13:55
Note:

In my comment 2006/11/02 13:51 , paragraph 2 line 3, the bracket "(" is redundant.
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/02 13:54
Typo:

From this, it can be infered that females account to the major population of (emotional) consumerism
===>
From this, it can be infered that females account for the major population of (emotional) consumerism





association/coorelative (關聯式思考)
==>
association/coorelative Thinking(關聯式思考)
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/02 13:51
The Typo does not matter much whenever it can be understood.

Actually, I am just a F.7 student with the Band A choice of HKCU Sociology. I feel especially interested in the gender difference and ideological studies. In fact, I have my own framework of social science theory called "OJA STUDIES" (derived from "Ojamajo Doremi", an apparently "girl" anime with myriad of male CAST --- an preparatory PhD thesis on and beyond Anime of course. For example, Technical Analysis of Animes refer to the analysis of technical information and techniques in anime communication so as to decipher the ideologies behind.(refer to a set of questions regarding this in :http://www.hikarinokiseki.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php...

Currently, many Social Work graduates (including several social workers in voluntary social institutions, especially females) in Hong Kong simply associate Otakus with Hermit Teens (i.e. reclusive adolescence), creating partiality of knowledge.

Regarding the verbal abuse of girls. Such girls often use the following gimmicks to achieve their aim of attackively unleashing their ego for human-relationship hegemony:

1.  Allusion by keywords
eg: girl talkmates allude to the existence of otaku within their angle of view by saying "He is so otaku". The word "He" is NOT well-defined to facilitate their evasion of consequent moral responsiblilty. The wanton use of the word "otaku" as an adjective implies their routine mode of thinking: by association/coorelative (關聯式思考) to mix fuzzy ideas together using both sides of brain (Refer to an bestseller as well as a social psychology research "Why men don't listen and women can't read map") So girls make ideas fuzzy, making the tracing of the main focus of what girls utter apparently difficult (actually they organise ideas by integrating fractions of cognized partial facts together peppering lyrics thta sound attractive; boys analyse and differentiate what they know instead).

2. Abuse of Empathy and emotions
Girls tends to be partial(偏私) toward the same sex since the relative intimacy among girls are high. As they are ideological animal, they are easily influenced by new ideologies that favour their self/egoistic-protection. Hence very often girls' article promotes femilism, greedily demaning males to praise/equal with them. As the entrophy (extent of disorder)of girls' ideological product is far higher than that of boys' (reason? Girls have more senses as a prime example of absolute gender difference, but only for private/self purpose instead of contribution.) They often flaunt their oral edge wantonly since puberty. From this, it can be infered that females account to the major population of (emotional) consumerism. Realize that in both anime and reality, teen girls often show "YEAH" sign to manifest their aggression! Caution!

3. Impression Make-up
They often use gesture, interjectives, change of pitch and high order of inotation (these acts are understoodable by females only, ask God for the reason why mens find it difficult to know why they get used to do so) as a implicit(小道) way of communication. Unfortunately, in HKEAA oral exam marking schemes, these two acts are appreciated - so unfair to boys!)

In summary, if otakus study sociology, (to be frank, I am NOT moe, since I hate girls' ego and experienced what proverb goes "最毒婦人心") they gain more and be more able to evolve!
Au Yeung +
2006/11/02 03:18
_| ̄| Sorry for mistaking your name... ○
>deraemonserv2

>doraemonserv2
Au Yeung +
2006/11/02 02:58
Some careless mistakes.

The existence of "H"

The existence of "H" doesn't matter.

I feels that I can have a glass of delicious wine with you.

I feel that I can have a glass of delicious wine with you.
Au Yeung +
2006/11/02 02:54
>hkcbgcs

I agree with you. Exactly, I am a guy enjoying ACG in the way you described. Instead of "H," I appreciate ACG as artistic works utilizing icons (イコン) of "bishojo" as a medium of love expression, thoughts about our daily life, or examination on the human nature. The existence of "H" . I can enjoy a great piece even though the sex of "bishojo" characters is reversed, or all "H" scenes/expressions are deleted.

>deraemonserv2

I'm sorry that I forgot to reply the following questions.

>Do Okada(岡田斗司夫) and Miyadai Shinji refer to the same person? Are they sociologist?

Okada Toshio is 岡田斗司夫, the self-claiming Otaking, while Miyadai Shinji is 宮台真司, a representative sociologist, especially in the field of youth culture and otaku culture studies, in Japan. The latter has written a book about Japanese school girls selling their used panties, which may be the only scholarly work on the same topic.
Well, upon otaku culture, I don't think that my own work, based on long-term field work, is inferior to his highly conceptual and categorical works on otaku culture though.laugh
(I am a Phd candidate at the Sociology Department of Tokyo University.)
Okada is neither a sociologist nor a researcher. He is only an otaku specialist.

>Can I be an okadaian otaku doing contrubution by exchanging critics?

Every qualified user in this blog is pleased to share opinions with you, pal.
Well, the difficult point is that I don't have much time to spend on casual critics exchange, though.
(I am at the same time an editor at a Japanese publishing company...)
Anyway, looking forward to any further contribution from you. I feels that I can have a glass of delicious wine with you.coolsmile
Au Yeung +
2006/11/02 02:12
Typo by me too.laugh
catstrophically

catastrophically
Au Yeung +
2006/11/02 02:10
Well, "drastically" may be replaced by "catstrophically." The latter is definitely a better expression to describe their nature.laugh
Au Yeung +
2006/11/02 02:07
Well, just as I, it sounds that you have several experiences of being treated in unfair ways by some female individuals. I share the same emotions with you. Some women feel like that they appear as a class superior to the opposite sex just because of the female sex. The superior is emdowed with the right to hurt the inferior, while the inferior is doomed to be offended. At the same time, some may be so ignorant that they subjectively victimize themselves and hold astrange feeling of hostility toward the male sex, particularly the male sexual desire.
Based on this essentialistic mentality, Some abuse others by heartless words or even offensive actions without any sense of guilt. When men resist with logic, they conceptualize the response as a wrongdoing, i.e., an abuse to them, essentially the superior class. All gentlemen should be good dogs obedient to women even though many women requiring men to become gentlemen may be drastically arrogant and illogical. That makes me extremely uneasy.
Au Yeung +
2006/11/02 01:43
>If the tregedy doer, i.e. the girl called 真善美, deem ganvalising males as a funny game, she is nothing but a barbarian being unable to even perceive ethics.

Yeah. All veteran users of this blog know that she's just a clown offending others for fun. We have used to her vandalism and learnt to neglect any aggressive comment made by her. "Normal" responses achieve nothing but her excitement.
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/02 01:30
Another typo:

1.

...so that a fuller picture of gender dynamics?
===>
...so that a fuller picture of gender dynamics can be deduced?


2.
...for sociology to be familiar with the truth og otaku culture.
===>
...for sociology to be familiar with the truth of otaku culture.


Killing bugs seems to be a harsh job to me since editing is not permitted here
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/02 01:26
An typo in the comment below:

sociology ==> sociologists


I have been placing the main article in this page in my school forum (LSKC) to raise teacher's awareness of otakus's current situation.
doraemonserv2 Homepage +
2006/11/02 01:23
Oh I get your point, Au Yeung, from other comments in articles of this website. I have dealt with such common girls with veteran experiences. Frankly speaking, I have been being bullied by the like of such girls by verbal allusion (implicit) and verbal abuse (explicit). In fact, she  really resemble the female Appledaily article writer who is dying to earn a dirty living! sh~t

Furthermore, the psychology of such common an partial (偏私, i.e. tends to turn facts into privatised emotions)must be understood as a counterpart approach of understanding the reality situation of otakus. At least, understanding how otakus are bullied by ignorant girls is important for sociology to be familiar with the truth og otaku culture.

In summary, the girl is hentaiactive (i.e. tends to change the kon's, i.e. the target audience's, preference of values) toward females to rob acceptance from inncoent audience. We must learn hard from this morality-degenerated tregedy.If the tregedy doer, i.e. the girl called 真善美, deem ganvalising males as a funny game, she is nothing but a barbarian being unable to even perceive ethics.

By the way, moe otakus invariably cannot resist attraction (hentaicity) from girls. This problem can be solved by raising their alternativity and extension of ideas. For me, I used to modelize girls as real tortoises for amusement purpose as well as to keep my virginity(童真) for reservation of strong, original and spatial observation ability. To moe otakus, they should read even more transdisciplinary essays (eg: methologies/history/acoustics)to strengthen their EQ. For example, why not observe and record the acoustic and behavioral pattern of girls in reality (then compared with those in anime)so that a fuller picture of gender dynamics?
hkcbgcs +
2006/11/02 01:04
An supplementary point:

Otakus are not neccessarily moe. It can be otherwise-orientated, or use girls as an transitional ideological spiringboard. For example, one may investigate the "oja" culture/etymology from Ojamajo Doremi, instead of being attracted by Onpu Segawa who have the most dilated eyes as a prime factor of hentaicity (NOT ecchi!)
Au Yeung +
2006/11/01 22:14
對於逢男otaku必反、專講反對說話者之發言,不必過於認真。
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2006/11/01 22:02
To 真善美 2005/09/04 20:21 :

I wanna say that Appledaily is sometimes erratic since the writer for the news articies are different in each ease, and the writers are internally very competitive. so they sometimes writes exaggerated articles in order to get good impression and fame. Actually they are already okadaian otakus, NOT moe otakus because they are enthusiastic enough (in prromoting partiality and ignorance for a living, maybe~).

To Au Yeung 2005/08/27 00:45 :

Do Okada(岡田斗司夫) and Miyadai Shinji refer to the same person? Are they sociologist?

Can I be an okadaian otaku doing contrubution by exchanging critics?
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